While Carey has fully accepted the concept of "diva" -- very in her own terms Meghan Duchess of Sussex hasn't reached that point yet.

Particularly as the Grammy winner tells her she's kept us satisfied by feeding our "diva moments."

Mariah Carey

Meghan's brand new streaming podcast Archetypes examines "the labels and tropes that try to hold women back," she chats with Carey regarding what she calls the "duality of a diva."

Carey dressed in a sequin evening dress because she's a professional, speaks about her childhood as a diva Her mother had a singing career and how that influenced her perception of the term.

When Meghan is asked if she thinks that diva could be "a compliment or a criticism," Carey isn't sure.

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"I think it's both," she declares. "For me, I think it's both. I do because I mean, I know the origin of the word."

Mariah Carey

The mother of her would use the word when discussing the person she was talking to, but Carey did not know

if it was good or not but she did know that the manner she used it had a kind of "grandeur" to it.

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Carey then reveals her rocky childhood, and Meghan mentions how being a diva was a dream for Carey and was a mark of her success

given where she was from and accepting the word for the negative connotations it carries was a kind of defence strategy.